TED talk on population growth

[Iguana]

Absolutely, and it's an indisputable fact that overpopulation leads to wars.

[svrn]

Are you pretending not to understand what I'm pointing out, or just not understanding?

You are saying that population decreases are a BAD thing.  I am saying that history shows that they, at least for poor people, are a very GOOD thing, as far as alleviating poverty, misery, ignorance, etc..

I can definitely provide links for that, if you'd like. It's a given among historians that the Black Plague was the main reason for the Renaissance, though.  In addition, Paul Colinvaux shows in his book The Fates of Nations that population increases always are followed by a war of conquest, because a larger population needs more food/land, so that larger population attacks a neighboring country to take their food/land. 

This is what happened in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s.  They had a huge increase in population, followed by a war of conquest.  It happened many times in the steppes of Central Asia around Mongolia, where there would be a few good years of rainfall, which increased the amount of good green grass, which increased the number of animals born, which gave people more good food to eat, which allowed them to have more children.

Every time the Huns/Mongolians would attack China, Europe, etc., it was about 15-20 years after one of these periods of really good rainfall.  This is because it takes about 15-20 years for little boys to grow up into potential soldiers.  They had a bunch of extra boys (and girls), and not enough food for them, so...

i dont believe you are getting the point of waht iv been asking you.

anyway I think iv beaten this dead horse enough. seeing as my point is not to convince you but to convince the thousands of people who visit this site every day I will just leave it for said reader to decide.

I am now taking the advice of GS and cooling down. He is quite right, pointing out that which I should have realized already as he so often does

[svrn]

Absolutely, and it's an indisputable fact that overpopulation leads to wars.

to call something indisputable is the end of critical thought and the beginning of dogmatic attatchment to ideas which is never healthy in my opinion.

overpopulation doesnt lead to wars international bankers creat wars with the joke of cousins sending off their people to kill each other off. This is summarized quite well in the following song.

There's so many of us
There's so many of us
There's so many
There's so many of us
There's so many of us
There's so many [x2]

[Sung]
Let's have a war
So you can go and die!
Let's have a war!
We could all use the money!
Let's have a war!
We need the space!
Let's have a war!
Clean out this place!

It already started in the city!
Suburbia will be just as easy!

[Chorus]

Let's have a war!
Jack up the Dow Jones!
Let's have a war!
It can start in New Jersey!
Let's have a war!
Blame it on the middle-class!
Let's have a war!
We're like rats in a cage!

It already started in the city!
Suburbia will be just as easy!

[Chorus]

Let's have a war!
Sell the rights to the networks!
Let's have a war!
General Motors get fat like last time!
Let's have a war!
Give guns to the queers!
Let's have a war!
The enemy's within!

It already started in the city!
Suburbia will be just as easy!

[Chorus x2]

FEAR - Let's Have a War

[cherimoya_kid]

OK, how about this?  If there's only one person on the planet, there can't be any wars, because there's no one to fight.  It logically follows, then, that, all other things being equal, the more PEOPLE there are, the greater the chance of WAR.

[sabertooth]

The wars have raged since the dawn of civilization, back before this modern population explosion. War is something that happens for very complicated reasons reasons not connected directly to population growth.

I Like Guns and Roses view of war.

What we've got here is failure to communicate
Some men you just can't reach
So you get what we had here last week,
which is the way he wants it
Well, he gets it
N' I don't like it any more than you men


Look at your young men fighting
Look at your women crying
Look at your young men dying
The way they've always done before

Look at the hate we're breeding
Look at the fear we're feeding
Look at the lives we're leading
The way we've always done before

My hands are tied
The billions shift from side to side
And the wars go on with brainwashed pride
For the love of God and our human rights
And all these things are swept aside
By bloody hands time can't deny
And are washed away by your genocide
And history hides the lies of our civil wars

D'you wear a black armband
When they shot the man
Who said "peace could last forever"
And in my first memories
They shot Kennedy
I went numb when I learned to see
So I never fell for Vietnam
We got the wall of D.C. to remind us all
That you can't trust freedom
When it's not in your hands
When everybody's fightin'
For their promised land
And

I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
Ow, oh no, no, no, no, no

Look at the shoes you're filling
Look at the blood we're spilling
Look at the world we're killing
The way we've always done before
Look in the doubt we've wallowed
Look at the leaders we've followed
Look at the lies we've swallowed
And I don't want to hear no more

My hands are tied
For all I've seen has changed my mind
But still the wars go on as the years go by
With no love of God or human rights
'Cause all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
I don't need your civil war
I don't need your civil war
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no uh-oh-uh, no uh-oh, uh no
I don't need one more war

I don't need one more war
No, no, no, no uh-oh-uh, no uh-oh, uh no
Whaz so civil 'bout war anyway?

Guns N' Roses - Civil War with Lyrics

[sabertooth]

"WE PRACTICE SELECTIVE ANNIHILATION OF MAYORS AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS
FOR EXAMPLE TO CREATE A VACUUM
THEN WE FILL THAT VACUUM
AS POPULAR WAR ADVANCES
PEACE IS CLOSER" **

[svrn]

between money lending, imbezzling tax money, selling weapons, stealing land, rebuilding destroyed cities, stealing natural resources, war is the number one way to make money. And theres many more aspects of making money in war, too many for me to mention.

The way to make money is to buy when blood is running in the streets.- John d. Rockefeller

Nowaday war definitly has nothing to do with population size. The western world is currently taking down every single country that does not cooperate in the current system of world government, usury, political correctness etc.

Every country we are invading now and in the future has been targeted long ago. this was revealed in 2007, take a look at that list and compare to whats happened since 2007, you will find the general was 100% telling the truth.

1. Gen. Wesley Clark, Democracy Now! interview, 2007

this video puts the population causes war theory in the toilet.

[cherimoya_kid]

War is about taking things from others.  the more "others" there are, and the more of "you" there are, the greater the chances of war.

And it really is that simple.

What you guys are having trouble with is facing the ultimate inconsistency of being AGAINST war and FOR population growth.

[goodsamaritan]

Someone is obviously screwing around with this conversation.

Sorry I fell for such a comment.

The cad.

[cherimoya_kid]

I don't think he's actually gay, is he?  Wife,  6 children, etc..

[goodsamaritan]

I don't think he's actually gay, is he?  Wife,  6 children, etc..

disinfo made by some cad seeking mischief.

[Iguana]

LOL!  ?? What's that? I never wrote such a crappy text!  Someone makes fun of me. Please remove it.

[TylerDurden]

GS, I am amazed you fell for this piece. It is obviously making  fun of Iguana and GCB. Please remove it. This reminds me of a similiar troll in the past  who mocked you and me in a post he pretended was sent by me.

[goodsamaritan]

I will edit it out.

The cad.

Author : instincto drivel (more) (IP: 90.39.70.174 , AStrasbourg-752-1-27-174.w90-39.abo.wanadoo.fr)

[Iguana]

Thanks to both of you !

[goodsamaritan]

GS  I can appreciate the time it took for you to compile the above,,and thanks.  I still don't understand why this is so important to YOU.  And what are your thoughts that as the population increases especially as a resultant of large families that have little means to support themselves financially,  what about those children?   No health care, going hungry, little chance for an education.  It's one thing for a family or a single mother with little to no income to take care of one, two, maybe three children, but when there's six or eight children, how fare is that.  And what is wrong with educating the mothers on how to use contraception?   For the life of me, I can't see how in the world you would find fault with that. 

About the next 50, 100, 200 years, I fear they’ll be bleak. I do not want anything “now, now, now.” I only reckon there has been a huge, explosive, population growth since the Neolithic era and since then, humans have profiteered out of control and  spread havoc on the planet at an alarming increasing rate,  leading to an imminent catastrophe with most likely no time left anymore to avoid it – whether each of us have 20 or zero offspring…

Here are my observations of what you Van, CK and Iguana have not understood of my Point of View.

Even after you saw all the fertility rates going down down down to below replacement rate... you still assume a population explosion.

NO.  Slap your faces again to wake up from the population explosion mantra / DOGMA.

There will be no more population explosion.

Thanks to 50 years of population control efforts and present and future efforts, the population decline is ASSURED.

"Demographic Winter," is a documentary about the coming population DECLINE.

Just as the Roman Empire population declined due to contraceptive mindsets at 0-200 AD... it is happening AGAIN this 2000 to 2300 AD.

And THIS decline I see all around me is what I am preparing for personally.

Preparing myself, preparing my children... so that WE DO NOT GET WIPED OUT IN THE PROCESS.

Other people's blood lines will be decimated, eliminated in the coming population decline.

I am just a parent realizing the threat and danger to my blood line so I go into SURVIVAL MODE.

I explained this many years back to my Grand Parents and to My Parents... why their old fears about children marrying too early or having too many children is NO LONGER THE CASE for my generation and for my children's generation.

In Metro Manila the big metropolis where I live, the Fertility Rate today is around 1.7 children per woman, so in 20 - 30 years it is likely this metropolis will go the way of Hong Kong or Singapore and do a 1.0 or less fertility rate.

It's just a SURVIVAL RESPONSE on my part to do what I do.

I would be an evil hypocrite if I instead blogged to everyone else to contracept and abort their children when I would do the opposite for myself and my children.
My Pro-Life blogging will not succeed.  Only few will listen.

Just as I would be an evil hypocrite if I told and blogged to everyone to continue to eat a SAD diet while I go raw paleo diet.
Our raw paleo diet promotion will not succeed. Only few will listen.

Absolute Population DECLINE will happen probably in the next centuries.

Some people will INHERIT this EARTH after the big population decline in the next centuries and I consciously WISH and am working on for some of those people to be MY DESCENDANTS. Just like Aajonus' website: We Want To Live.

Am I finally coming in CLEAR?

Demographic Winter - Trailer

Maybe this short 3:50 min trailer will make it clear for you. The people being interviewed are DEMOGRAPHERS. They are the math guys who actually do the counting.  Please listen to them.  Listen that the depopulationists have succeeded and will continue to succeed.

"For those of us who were raised to believe in the teachings of Thomas Malthus or Charles Darwin (for example)... these TRENDS are VERY HARD TO ABSORB." - Philip Longman, Demographer

[cherimoya_kid]

Edwin, I remember when there were less than 4 billion people on the planet.  Now there are over 7 billion. We've literally doubled the population within my lifetime.

I'm not saying "oh no, we're all going to die if we have more kids!".  My point is that things will be more difficult for no good reason if we don't continue to put the brakes on population growth.  Sure, population growth is slowing down.  That's a natural result of countries' becoming wealthier and better-educated.  That doesn't automatically mean your family is dying out. 

[goodsamaritan]

Edwin, I remember when there were less than 4 billion people on the planet.  Now there are over 7 billion. We've literally doubled the population within my lifetime.

I'm not saying "oh no, we're all going to die if we have more kids!".  My point is that things will be more difficult for no good reason if we don't continue to put the brakes on population growth.  Sure, population growth is slowing down.  That's a natural result of countries' becoming wealthier and better-educated.  That doesn't automatically mean your family is dying out. 

Your notion is part of what this demographer was saying:

"For those of us who were raised to believe in the teachings of Thomas Malthus or Charles Darwin (for example)... these TRENDS are VERY HARD TO ABSORB." - Philip Longman, Demographer -- he who can count people better than you or I.  But you can do the math.  That is why I showed the fertility rates and population pyramids and the example of Japan which are being replicated worldwide.

I am saying that I have NO POWER to stop the depopulation imperialists.
The medical mafia, the pollution mafia, the gmo and SAD mafia, the depopulation mafia are all too powerful.
I am saying the depopulation imperialists WILL SUCCEED.

I am faced with my own blood line mortality as I experienced it myself and I am seeing it with my own brothers and sisters and my own cousins and I have seen the trend from our parents, aunts, uncles, then grand parents, then great grand parents.

It is a trend to NOTHINGNESS.

My youngest sister is 30 and married for 6 years and still no children... getting frustrated.

The sister next to me married at 23, did contraceptives for 5 years... became unhealthy the next years... I pointed out her drug dependence on laxatives and her complete teeth root canals... and did IVF at 39 resulting in twins where she gave birth to both prematurely and 1 died.  So she is left with just 1 surviving child.  She lives in the USA and says either they have money for just 1 or that she thinks she's already too old at 43.

My brother married an educated but came from the province woman where they give birth to more children but was victimized twice with c-sections... so his wife is now thinking seriously about stopping at 2.  Both children are allergic to any wheat.  Good thing my wife and I sat down with both of them and taught them our health experiences.

I first wanted to follow the good virgin boy concept with my wife the traditional way my parents did... but my wife had been infected with the career spirit of foregoing marriage... and only through immense human drama did we ever get married... but her career infection she even wanted to reneg on her getting pregnant with children.  She was so hot in her mid 20s she was swarmed by sexual maniacs, perverts and even her boss attempted to rape her and chased her all around a ship.  My uncles were beating down at me to get her pregnant. 

I told her I would have to give her back to her father for reneging on having children... only after her attempted rape did she get pregnant... and she didn't want it nor did she believe it at first eventually asking for 4 pregnancy test kits.  Wife had heart problems while pregnant and saw an idiot heart MD who prescribed her heart drugs while pregnant!  Idiot OB-GYN said she was fearful of turning around a sitting child in the womb so my wife was victimized by getting a c-section.  First child received all upteenth vaccinations in his first 2 years because we were still health ignorant.

After my wife gave birth to the first child... we had infertility problems... could not get pregnant... this was a health learning experience.  At the same time I developed Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and the idiot heart doctor concluded he should prescribe to me beta blockers to shape my heart but at the same time it would KILL MY ERECTIONS... so that meant I would be stuck with just 1 child? FUCK THAT beta blocker doc.  I learned to give up caffeine and in 3 weeks CF was gone.

We learned about chemicals in our diet... throwing out the microwave... not taking any drugs... eating oysters... timing of sex for maximum probabilities, positions, etc. and the special filipino midwives known as hilots to set the uterus right...

Infertility experience: Did you ever experience being SICK OF SEX?  Being sick of the sight of my own SEXY WIFE because I couldn't get her pregnant?  Having to have an alarm schedule for sex at midnight or 5am just to schedule sex.  Worst fucking job trying to get an erection... when only thinking of baby baby baby mantra would my erection get up.  For 6 fucking months I HATED SEX, but it was a bad dreary job both of us had to endure because by this time we enjoyed the 1st child so much we both wanted a 2nd child.

...she got pregnant for the 2nd time... but because of the first c-section... the placenta did not set right and this 2nd child was a placenta previa case... c-section.  Good thing she found out about chiropractors in this second pregnancy so she was drug free from that old idiot heart doc.  2nd c-section.... oh the PAIN.  And the expense again.  This 2nd child was vaccinated until 6 months. We then learned vaccines were harmful!

Our health efforts were rewarded by the surprise pregnancy of a 3rd child but maybe her nutrients were depleted she became an enraged lunatic during her 3rd pregnancy.  A 180 degree turn around from the 1st 2 pregnancies.  And the thought that this 3rd had to be another 3rd c-section because the OB GYN would not risk a vaginal birth after 2 c-sections. 

What was worse is on her 4th month of pregnancy this 3rd child she got appendicitis and since we were not that health aware yet, we agreed to an appendectomy... another surgery while she was pregnant!

After the 3rd birth, a c-section again... she was dead tired, got into some sort of depression that was addressed by eating a lot of green honey.  But still in the hospital... even being aware of those depopulation useful idiots and giving a birth contract to our OB-GYN... each and every round of doctors with nurses and students entering our room... they OVERSOLD all the time LIGATION.... No no no no no... and for the nth time NO.... I wrote a STINGING letter to the hospital administrator about the OVERSELLING OF LIGATION... cramming it down our throats!  We were health aware by this time and our 3rd child had zero vaccinations.

So being health aware by this time we understood only NFP would be the best contraceptive... but my wife does not want to take any chances with her 4 past surgeries... she opted for abstinence... which I completely understand.  No sex with her after her 3rd birth.

And all through the growing up years we had health issues with our first born... culminating in several almost DYING TIMES for our first born.  It is only through my luck that I stumbled onto healing and I heal for free for the experience only so when my boy was almost dying several times my skills were always just enough to save him from dying.  He is now 12.  Probably has 8 cumulative months of bloody raw paleo diet on him.

Oh yes... my own brother almost died of psoriases MD treatments in 2007 - wife less and child less then...  but it was only through my newly acquired healing skills did he survive... left alone to his Medical doctors he would have died child less.

I'm sorry if this has gone long enough with me not even discussing the many "other women" who miscarried, child died at birth, had abortions... all the heart ache... women needed my healing skills before they could get pregnant.... or to get them through pregnancy.  Now I've even teamed up with healer friends so I can deliver my own babies... better than those uber stupid hospitals.

So yes... I've experienced a very hard life of trying to reproduce fighting tooth and nail every step of the way so I know how hard life is.  If one did not have enough tenacity, money or smarts in my generation of siblings my parents wouldn't have grand children to speak of.

Women in my generation (today in their 40s, 30s, and 20s) are having a hard time in the reproducing department... there is no health... no wealth... no mindset to even make the first child.  And I haven't even written about my cousins... worst was my male cousin whose first child with a first wife died along with his first wife due to illness some asthma... and his new wife having an incompetent uterus with 3 children dying on their 7th month... only success with 1 child out of 4.

I'm sorry to have to pour out my own experiences to you... but it is what it is.  I have dreams of living.  I like being alive.  My blood line being alive.  Dreams of having my own big set of grand children and great grand children.  Why should my wife's grand mother be the only one to have that honor?  I want that too.  But my experiences in this trying to make life game have been very very very hard.  This is why I think this way.  My experiences have been too hard.

[Iguana]

Even after you saw all the fertility rates going down down down to below replacement rate... you still assume a population explosion.

The curves and data you showed are for Japan, aren’t they? I posted the data for whole planet http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/hot-topics/ted-talk-on-population-growth/msg114300/#msg114300 and it shows that the global fertility rate is still above replacement rate, so that current global population growth is about 1.09 % per year. Ok?

The UN projects a world population of 9.15 billion in 2050, which is a 32.69% increase from 2010 (6.89 billion)

Do we understand things the same way? For me it means that the global population is still increasing and is expected to increase at least until 2050 by the UN. That it may decrease afterwards, I willingly agree and I hope this decrease won’t be too sudden. I fear that it may even happen abruptly and catastrophically even before. 

Anyhow, this demographic explosion will end soon, it has to. No need for intervention, as Sabertooth pointed out: it will happen naturally even if we don’t completely control it. But, in principle, a gentle descent by the steps or with a lift ends less dramatically than a free fall from a 15th floor balcony.   

NO.  Slap your faces again to wake up from the population explosion mantra / DOGMA.

What dogma? It has exploded until now but this explosion is beginning to slow down and is expected to revert in a few decades. Aren’t this facts we all reckon?   

There will be no more population explosion.

Yes, we agree. 

Thanks to 50 years of population control efforts and present and future efforts, the population decline is ASSURED.

Yes, we agree too. But decline is predicted after 2050 and no one knows for sure what the future will be, furthermore in 40 years! A lot of events can happen in the meantime!

Just as the Roman Empire population declined due to contraceptive mindsets at 0-200 AD... it is happening AGAIN this 2000 to 2300 AD.

I won’t even dare the slightest guess of what the conditions on Earth will be in year 2300 AD! Not even in 2050! 

And THIS decline I see all around me is what I am preparing for personally.
Preparing myself, preparing my children... so that WE DO NOT GET WIPED OUT IN THE PROCESS.

A difficult task…

Other people's blood lines will be decimated, eliminated in the coming population decline.
I am just a parent realizing the threat and danger to my blood line so I go into SURVIVAL MODE.

Hmm… my blood line is that of the humanity as a whole. In Pelolithic condition, you wouldn’t even know which ones are “yours”. As an Amerindian explained to a French Jesuit missionary:
When seventeenth-century Jesuit missionary Paul Le Jeune lectured a Montagnais Indian man
about the dangers of the rampant infidelity he’d witnessed, Le Jeune received a lesson on proper parenthood in response. The missionary recalled, “I told him that it was not honorable for a woman to love any one else except her husband, and that this evil being among them, he himself was not sure that his son, who was there present, was his son. He replied, ‘Thou hast no sense. You French people love only your own children; but we all love all the children of our tribe.’” (Sex at Dawn, Ch.Ryan – C. Jetha p.71-72 http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/6191785/ - you said you downloaded it)

Absolute Population DECLINE will happen probably in the next centuries.

Yes, but I guess before the next centuries: during this one.

Some people will INHERIT this EARTH after the big population decline in the next centuries and I consciously WISH and am working on for some of those people to be MY DESCENDANTS. Just like Aajonus' website: We Want To Live.

Hopefully, some humans will survive. But why are you so concerned that the surviving ones in 2200 or 2300 (!) will be “your” descendants? That’s something totally beyond me...

Am I finally coming in CLEAR?

You’ve always been clear on this! It’s clear to me that you’re concerned with future events on which we have no control… and about which I couldn’t care less. Obviously, your ways of thinking and mine are completely opposed!

François

[goodsamaritan]

Hopefully, some humans will survive. But why are you so concerned that the surviving ones in 2200 or 2300 (!) will be “your” descendants? That’s something totally beyond me...

You’ve always been clear on this! It’s clear to me that you’re concerned with future events on which we have no control… and about which I couldn’t care less. Obviously, your ways of thinking and mine are completely opposed!

François

Here lies the difference in our belief systems where we agree to disagree as friends.

I have never had any "faith" in any "after life" or "immortal soul".
My mind and entire being cannot process god or religion... ever... not even in my childhood.

My belief is the only immortality I have is living through my children, my grandchildren, etc... by blood... by DNA, by whatever fragment of gene or cell.  Only when all my descendants die... only then am I truly dead.

Just as my ancestors are alive in me... I will remain alive through my descendants.

I can leave my descendants my "books" of knowledge and experiences down the line... teach my own grand children life skills and many many things.  Take care of my own grand children.  Did I mention how much I adore and take care of my own children?

Family trees can, are and will be drawn.  And I will be there somewhere.  My family tree will hopefully thrive.  And they will all read about how we tried and tried and tried so much to see that they were born, fed, educated and taught to continue the circle of life again and again and again.

I have longevity dreams too.  150 is the current target.

[svrn]

Great work GS. You are truly a protector of humanity.

God bless you.

[van]

Here lies the difference in our belief systems where we agree to disagree as friends.

I have never had any "faith" in any "after life" or "immortal soul".
My mind and entire being cannot process god or religion... ever... not even in my childhood.

My belief is the only immortality I have is living through my children, my grandchildren, etc... by blood... by DNA, by whatever fragment of gene or cell.  Only when all my descendants die... only then am I truly dead.

Just as my ancestors are alive in me... I will remain alive through my descendants.

I can leave my descendants my "books" of knowledge and experiences down the line... teach my own grand children life skills and many many things.  Take care of my own grand children.  Did I mention how much I adore and take care of my own children?

Family trees can, are and will be drawn.  And I will be there somewhere.  My family tree will hopefully thrive.  And they will all read about how we tried and tried and tried so much to see that they were born, fed, educated and taught to continue the circle of life again and again and again.

I have longevity dreams too.  150 is the current target.

thanks GS for including that info.  For now I see your position is coming from your beliefs.  Without knowing that,  I had not a clue as to what you were so excited over.  I am probably more in alignment with Iguana,, that this earth is one big family and we all need to look after each other (eventually).   I have this saying that every parent thinks that their children ( I have a 13 year old ) are the most amazing child(ten) in the world.  And they are.  And mine is no exception.