How to eat cartilage, tendons, and collagen raw.

[eveheart]

There is a book called "The Permaculture Book of Ferment and Human Nutrition" by Bill Mollison, it had a ton of recipes for meat, fish and eggs.  Does any one happen to have a copy?  That may also have some recipes for cartilage and bones.

I own the Mollison book, but I do not like it because it is more of a chronicle than a recipe book. It does not give food preparation details that I find useful, just a lot of nice, glossy pictures and descriptions. It was quite expensive.

[eveheart]

Do they mention if it is refrigerated or not?

Refrigeration or not is a tricky question because often fermentation was seasonal (after the harvest), which put the activity in the cooler months. There are summer and winter ferments, the summer one being for short term storage and quick consumption. Modern Koreans often buy a kimchi refrigerator which, like an electric wine cellar, keeps the fermenting batches at 55 degrees F. to simulate the temperature of a buried crock.

I live in an area with summer highs in the 80s and winter highs around 60. In this temperature range, I use the concept of summer vs. winter fermentation. I leave a saltier summer fermentation out for a day and then refrigerate for a week or more. Winter fermentation can be out longer, and results in a tastier product with less (or no) salt.

[PaleoPhil]

I just saw an amazing doc. called Human Planet.  It showed how the Inuit of Greenland catch birds with long poles and nets, and then stuff about five hundred (they are rather small birds) in a big bushel sized seal skin.

Ah yes, kiviak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiviak).

[cherimoya_kid]

I have definitely noticed that I can eat high fish/meat more easily when it's cold weather. The flavor doesn't bother me nearly as much.   

Other than the obvious fact of digesting things being easier when it's warm, I bet there are other useful aspects to heavier fermentation for people enduring colder weather.

[paper_clips43]

Haai posted this in another thread and it basically says the reason we have bigger brains is due to bones and brains we were able to gather from the kills of other animals.

http://thepaleodiet.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Fatty-Acid-Composition-and-Energy-Density-of-Foods-Available-to-African-Hominids.pdf

[cherimoya_kid]

Haai posted this in another thread and it basically says the reason we have bigger brains is due to bones and brains we were able to gather from the kills of other animals.

http://thepaleodiet.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Fatty-Acid-Composition-and-Energy-Density-of-Foods-Available-to-African-Hominids.pdf

I just don't buy it. Nearly all primate lines have bigger brains than the ancestor species of all primates, but only some of those lines have been regular meat eaters over the last several million years or so.

[Dr. D]

Throughout evolutionary history, carnivorous mammals have
always maintained a proportionately larger brain size relative to body size when
compared to their herbivorous prey.

http://thepaleodiet.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Fatty-Acid-Composition-and-Energy-Density-of-Foods-Available-to-African-Hominids.pdf

Vegans said wha??

[cherimoya_kid]

Throughout evolutionary history, carnivorous mammals have
always maintained a proportionately larger brain size relative to body size when
compared to their herbivorous prey.

So what happens if a tiger eats an herbivorous primate, like a monkey? 

[Dr. D]

Well, according to the article doesn't it mean that it's brain is bigger relative to it's body size anyways, simply due to carnivory? Nothing "new" would really happen.

Or are you using an example of breaking the previous statement? I don't know relative brain sizes of tigers and monkeys off the top of my head

[cherimoya_kid]

Well, according to the article doesn't it mean that it's brain is bigger relative to it's body size anyways, simply due to carnivory? Nothing "new" would really happen.

Or are you using an example of breaking the previous statement? I don't know relative brain sizes of tigers and monkeys off the top of my head

Monkeys have much larger brains per body size than tigers.

[Dr. D]

I see. Well, I was just posting a line from the article. Take it up with the publishers if necessary! Haha. I also found that an odd line considering it was talking about fatty acids and hominids.

 Jerison HJ: The Evolution of the Brain and Intelligence. New York, Academic Press, 1973, pp
287–319

Thats the official citation for that statement. Kind of an old book... I don't go to college anymore so I don't have the same access to wonderfully academic books. I'd be curious what those pages say and what evidence they are using.

[cherimoya_kid]

Plenty of primate species eat very little or no meat, and they have very large brains, compared to all other mammal species. There are vegan primates and heavy meat-eating primates, and most are somewhere in-between those two extremes.

[svrn]

trying to use the theory of macroevolution to explain brain sizes by comparing completely different species of animals will only confuse you because it is a fraudulent theory.

[cherimoya_kid]

Like I said in the other thread, macroevolution supports a paleo diet for humans, because most other large primates eat a meat/fish (orangutans have been observed eating fish), fruit, and leaves diet, which is pretty similar to the ideal diet for most people.

Why would you preach paleo, but tear down some of the best scientific support for it?

[svrn]

I preach raw not paleo.

THe reason that raw works is because al of the enzymes are still intact and all the nutrients are bound to water and completely bioactive when in their raw form and none of it has formed strange chemicals due to being processed by heat.

That there is the reason why raw food diet works to heal. Not some rehashed hindu myths given to us by sick degenerate inbreds about one type of creature magically transforming into another type of creature through "progress"/"enlightenment"

[cherimoya_kid]

Charles Darwin, I assure you, was not a Hindu.  He was either an agnostic or a deist, depending on when in his life someone asked him.   The older he got, the more agnostic, NOT atheistic, he became.

For that matter, most scientists are either agnostics, atheists, or have never bothered to change from the religion of their childhood. What are you even on about with all this?  You are LITERALLY the first person I know of to relate Hinduism with macro-evolution, ever.