Plea for advice re further raw diet gurus

[TylerDurden]

I am getting some difficult, private questions in allexperts.com  from a person in very bad health. She wants to know if there are any raw-diet gurus who could give her  direct one-on-one consultations as she needs the personal touch. There was some past thread on the subject but I forget which one.

[cherimoya_kid]

Would she be willing to ask her questions here?  It can be as anonymous as she wants it to be.

[TylerDurden]

Would she be willing to ask her questions here?  It can be as anonymous as she wants it to be.

I suggested it, but I get the distinct impression that she wanted only personal contact with a guru and not let her details be publicised, however anonymously.

[sabertooth]

I think it would be difficult to suggest any one person. Even mainstream physicians will refer to colleagues or specialist when faced with a difficult case.

Ideally if she doesn't want to be counseled by more than one person, then perhaps you can act as the primary attendant. Then you can share the details of the case with a few others that have expert knowledge(anonymously), then try and work out a basic consensus on what dietary approach that would be best to start and present to her a course of action to take. Giving only the most prudent advice and leaving all the decisions up to her.

[Inger]

I am not a guru, that is the problem...lol I am just a student. But I would be totally willing to meet and talk and help with what I can and know if she lived close to here.
Where / in what country does she live?

[TylerDurden]

Eastern USA.

[Ioanna]

i don't know any, but one of the members (was it 'raw'?)…  knows someone in new york? 

i get the desire for privacy and one on one attention, but to trust yourself to someone who is motivated by capitalism vs a forum motivated from a more passionate place… i'd rather listen to the anecdotal!

[TylerDurden]

i get the desire for privacy and one on one attention, but to trust yourself to someone who is motivated by capitalism vs a forum motivated from a more passionate place… i'd rather listen to the anecdotal!

I know but some people appear to feel that  personal treatment one-on-one which also is very expensive is worth more than just asking others for free. Go figure!

[sabertooth]

The whole of materialistic society is bamboozled into thinking that things that cost more have greater value than things that are free.

$$$$ makes the world go round.

Though I'm personally tired of progress being tied to the ball and chain of personal profit.

I advocate a dietary cure that would cost far less to implement than buying medical insurance and paying for office visits and deductibles. For this reason my dietary based recommendations will not be acceptable by the mainstream.

 If it makes the patient more comfortable I am located in the south eastern United States, and I would be willing to cut her a break, lets say 100 dollars an hour as a nutrition consultant.

Perhaps those of us here are being too modest and overly ethical, by not jumping on the nutritional guru bandwagon. There are countless people getting tons of money spewing out all kinds of nonsense to the uneducated public.

There are countless shysters who because they have have some degree from some nutritional course where they learned all about heart healthy whole grains, and the benefits of replacing red meat with soy, believe themselves worthy of advising the sick.

So who is there to best represent the Raw Paleo diet and treat people who could most benefit from its potential to heal?

[LePatron7]

If it makes the patent more comfortable I am located in the south eastern United States, and I would be willing to cut her a break, lets say 100 dollars an hour as a nutrition consultant.

Perhaps those of us here are being too modest and overly ethical, by not jumping on the nutritional guru bandwagon. There are countless people getting tons of money spewing out all kinds of nonsense to the uneducated public.

There are countless shysters who because they have have some degree from some nutritional course where they learned all about heart healthy whole grains, and the benefits of replacing red meat with soy, believe themselves worthy of advising the sick.

So who is there to best represent the Raw Paleo diet and treat people who could most benefit from its potential to heal?

That's actually a good idea. You have the experience of years of RPD, you could call yourself a guru and make some bucks while also (potentially) helping others.

[Ioanna]

and that's where av started

[Iguana]

and that's where av started

That's what I was thinking too.

For some reason I fail to fully understand, I could not do it (be it for money or free of charge), even with my background of 27 years of 100% raw paleo diet. People have to learn, research  and think by themselves. There are so many unknown variables that no one can pretend to hold the truth. 

[van]

That's what I was thinking too.

For some reason I fail to fully understand, I could not do it (be it for money or free of charge), even with my background of 27 years of 100% raw paleo diet. People have to learn, research  and think by themselves. There are so many unknown variables that none can pretend to hold the truth. 

  I agree,  look how many times each of us has found what we thought was the perfect diet,, and then switched to something else.  Or maybe it's just me. 

[Inger]

I would do it.... but I do not think diet is all and everything. It is just one very important piece of the puzzle.. I am also pretty sure looking to Nature for help will always heal.
So my approach would be very simple.
Eat seasonally and mainly or better 100% wild foods... (very ill people with cancer etc, might need to go ketogenic all year), lots of seafood and oysters... high meat, organs, wild herbs and mushrooms for "medicine"... spend time in the wild. Away from cities and high EMF polluted areas. Barefoot... naked in the sun. Swim in rivers, lakes and even better, the ocean. Get natural light, avoid all fake.. also electronics as much as possible. You will sleep like a kid again, which is important for healing. Avoid chemicals and anything that could disturb healing. That way you will get all the healing elements Nature offers us, for free.
Love.
We need to not forget we are made of body, soul and spirit... and they all need to get nourished

This is not what people think of "the easy way". But I know deep in my heart it will work. Illness is because we are so disconnected from where we came. But we can re connect. It just means we are going to do things very different than most in today's world. Are we willing to? That is the question. When people see they have to give up their comfort and what they are used to, many rather stay sick. But others genuinely want health but they do not know how....

Van, I think the thing that we have switched diets in the past is a good thing, we always seek for the better! We are not stubborn in that regard that when realizing something do not work we can change things. And it also depends on where you live, season and many things, what foods might be the best right now.

The world changes. What is the best food for me to eat today might not be so in the future.

[van]

I would do it.... but I do not think diet is all and everything. It is just one very important piece of the puzzle.. I am also pretty sure looking to Nature for help will always heal.
So my approach would be very simple.
Eat seasonally and mainly or better 100% wild foods... (very ill people with cancer etc, might need to go ketogenic all year), lots of seafood and oysters.. high meat, organs, wild herbs and mushrooms for "medicine"... spend time in the wild. Away from cities and high EMF polluted areas. Barefoot... naked in the sun. Swim in rivers, lakes and even better, the ocean. Get natural light, avoid all fake.. also electronics as much as possible. You will sleep like a kid again, which is important for healing. Avoid chemicals and anything that could disturb healing. That way you will get all the healing elements Nature offers us, for free.
Love.
We need to not forget we are made of body, soul and spirit... and they all need to get nourished

This is not what people think of "the easy way". But I know deep in my heart it will work. Illness is because we are so disconnected from where we came. But we can re connect. It just means we are going to do things very different than most in today's world. Are we willing to? That is the question. When people see they have to give up their comfort and what they are used to, many rather stay sick. But others genuinely want health but they do not know how....

Van, I think the thing that we have switched diets in the past is a good thing, we always seek for the better! We are not stubborn in that regard that when realizing something do not work we can change things. And it also depends on where you live, season and many things, what foods might be the best right now.

The world changes. What is the best food for me to eat today might not be so in the future.

Inger, your diet and life style and mine are most similar, so it's not that I wouldn't support your position.  It's the notion that you've already summed it up for someone in what you'd suggest.    To go on and charge someone for counseling would suggest that not only that you or anyone here on this forum would have so much experience not only with themselves over decades of experimenting with a raw inclusive diet but also with experimenting with other's diets also and recording the changes.
  We're all fine tuning our diets.  Just look at what Paleo Phil is experimenting with today as compared to what caught his interest two years ago.    Some of us learn, or think we learn about protein requirements, calcium requirements, bowel moving supportive foods, yeast or candida prevention foods, cognitive supportive foods, foods 'needed' for working out, cleansing the liver and other organs like kidney stones...….  My point is that we're all learning and that my guess is that in some few years even your diet will evolve and you will learn that what you eat today will have been only a stepping stone for what you'll believe in in the future (even if it's the amounts of the same foods eaten today).    So rather than substantiate our own wanted believes of what we've each found to be the ' ideal' diet, why not offer what we do think in an informative section so that, as Iguana suggests, people wanting to change can come and learn for themselves.  And obtain support, as we all do here, in that process.    I do think that to have a 'coach' in the beginning, as in,  'watch me eat this piece of raw meat or fish,, see it didn't kill me' can be a valuable tool or service that one could offer.   And ideally we can all one day do that for another.  I know I have.   

[PaleoPhil]

Yeah, after some early success with cooked Paleo some relatives and friends said I should write a book or promote a blog. I decided I should wait at least 4 years before considering anything like that, aside from sharing info with friends and relatives and on forums. After 4 years, I decided I still had a lot to learn and some other people were promoting Paleo/Primal and raw diets that probably did a better and more persuasive job than I would have. It's only now, almost 10 years later, that I've learned about the importance of resistant starch and think I have a decent grasp of it.

I don't understand the people who write a book or heavily promote a website/blog/youtube channel only a year to two or less after losing some weight and feeling better after changing their diet. A lot of folks start to run into new problems on new diets after about 2 years or so. Then they have to find a way to explain why they're changing their diet after telling lots of other people that it was ideal. I've seen a bunch of raw vegans go through this, for example. Not many last beyond 10 years before hitting the wall.

[Projectile Vomit]

I think one thing that many of us have developed that would be worth writing about is how we've learned to be sensitive to our bodies' needs and how we interpret feedback from our bodies in a way that allows us to make useful and beneficial adjustments in our eating patterns and other areas of life. I suspect that readers would gain more from developing this skill than from reading about the particulars of our eating patterns, which, in my opinion, aren't always very generalizable.

[sabertooth]

Ahh Yes

We much teach people to be their own guru, this should be the fundamental message of anyone who practices the art of nutritional healing.

I also agree with Inger that adjustments to the entire lifestyle must be made in order to receive the full benefit of what the Raw Paleo diet has to offer.

The world and the human beings which come out of it are constantly changing.... there is no set in the stone age way of doing things. We are all riding the great crest of the energy wave that began with the big bang. We may never be able to know or control the motion of the great cosmic ocean, but we can become hip to its rhythm and harness the tidal forces to develop the skill needed to ride on without getting wiped out.

[Inger]

I am agreeing with you all, guys.

So rather than substantiate our own wanted believes of what we've each found to be the ' ideal' diet, why not offer what we do think in an informative section so that, as Iguana suggests, people wanting to change can come and learn for themselves.  And obtain support, as we all do here, in that process.    I do think that to have a 'coach' in the beginning, as in,  'watch me eat this piece of raw meat or fish,, see it didn't kill me' can be a valuable tool or service that one could offer.   And ideally we can all one day do that for another.  I know I have. 

I think one thing that many of us have developed that would be worth writing about is how we've learned to be sensitive to our bodies' needs and how we interpret feedback from our bodies in a way that allows us to make useful and beneficial adjustments in our eating patterns and other areas of life.

I decided I should wait at least 4 years before considering anything like that, aside from sharing info with friends and relatives and on forums. After 4 years, I decided I still had a lot to learn .....

The world and the human beings which come out of it are constantly changing.... there is no set in the stone age way of doing things. We are all riding the great crest of the energy wave that began with the big bang. We may never be able to know or control the motion of the great cosmic ocean, but we can become hip to its rhythm and harness the tidal forces to develop the skill needed to ride on without getting wiped out.

Lovely...