Hi Gerard,
Nice to hear from you! You may still be angry with me, but I’m not angry with you. I just haven’t understood the radical shift in your stance and why you were so abusive — as you are such a nice, amiable and generous guy in real life.
No Edwin, you're quite mistaken and indulge yourself in wishful thinking. It's definitively nothing else but the INSTINCTO bullshit that killed Burger's wife as well as others.
No, I disagree. It seems you don’t take into account that:
- The meat they ate the time was beef, mutton and pork. That wouldn’t probably have happen with wild game meat.
- As GCB reported, they deliberately experimented on themselves a high and unlimited consumption of those meats.
- He finally warned her, but she did not believe that the cause of her illness was too much meat. After her dead, the "instinctos" I know in Switzerland did not believe that either.
Telling that the ‘instincto bullshit” killed her is not factual, sorry. She might well have died earlier if she had continued to eat a standard cooked diet.
She really got cancer and would have died even without chemotherapy, which was just a desperate final attempt to save her.
Right, I agree.
And she got cancer because she systematically overate raw MUSCLE meat
We agree on that too.
(importance of fat, organs etc was by then and still essentially is just ignored by instincto guru, the "instinct" forgot to tell him).
Wrong. He may not have emphasized enough the importance of eating organs, but most of the long term instinctos are very fond of organs, GCB himself too. That’s even himself who advised me to test liver.
Meat was actually never available to our ancestors day after day in such large amounts. As simple as that.
Exactly what we say. We never disagreed on that. It doesn’t mean that...
…the instincto stance or "theory" (is) fundamentally flawed
Just like
Micelte (see his above post) you have an idea of the instincto theory as it were saying that our alimentary instinct is omnipotent. It has never been seen I that way except by some people who haven’t known the theory completely or haven’t understood it properly: as Dom Guyaux emphasized (but GCB had also said the same long before him) the environmental conditions and food accessibility are also to be taken into account.
There are many reasons and one major one is just that these so-called instinctive stop signals ,supposed to prevent overeating in order for an appropriate « instinct » to really work, never ever were or had to be under darwinian selective pressure.
No, I don’t think so because it has been under selective pressure a lot of times, every time the availability of a particular food surpasses the current need of an animal — and that happens quite often in nature too. An animal who has eaten too much of a food will be disadvantaged, being an easy prey for the predators.
And this, in turn, is just because meat was actually never available to our ancestors day after day for years in such large amounts. As simple as that.
That’s precisely why it is strongly advised to have other animal food as a choice and alternate the consumption of mammals meat with fish, shellfish, birds, eggs… and insects!
Phil: Thanks for sharing that, GS. Good to hear from Alphagruis again. It seems that GCB's views are moving closer to those of Alphagruis. Their quotes are not so far apart now, though Iguana may disagree with me.
Gerard (Alphagruis) used to completely agree with us on all main points. He just got extremely angry because GCB did the mistake to never answer to his valuable comments and also lacked tact. Gerard never met GCB and the former misses a complete knowledge of the points transmitted and discussed exclusively orally in GCB’s comprehensive one week seminars. I really fail to grab how we could live with totally discarding our fundamental instincts as Gerard seems to suggest.
[Among] GCB, Alphagruis, Iguana, lots and lots of ex-VLCers [and others], there is a growing consensus that in the longer run it is not healthy to eat lots of raw muscle meat and fat and little else. Starving our beneficial gut bacteria makes no sense. [Edit: I'm not trying to imply anything about what GCB, Alphagruis, or Iguana ate in the past or eat now, just noting the rough consensus in the comments about one thing to avoid, which is good to see--this is a complement, not a criticism]
Yes!
Van: I doubt that Iguana and GCB have ever eaten lots of fat.
We eat all the animal fat we find palatable.
Now that's a change in direction from every early man specie,, sterilizing every thing that goes into their mouth, including water.
Sure, we all agree on that.
