Sorentus' Journal

[Sorentus]

So I received my suet and 15 pound of 60% fatty trim which I'm letting age air open in the frigd(don't have enough containers). Well after having a few bites, I feel so lethargic and nauseous. It's a different feeling then I had before, is it my body adapting to so much fat? Who knows, I'll go slowly, eating it once every day or so see if my body adapt or not. If not well, fasting till death seems like the last option. Needless to say I feel very freaking sick from eating it, so nauseous.

[Sorentus]

Well so now I get 2 small bits of high meat beef cube a  day along with about 100g of raw liver a day and I had to seriously limit my consumption of suet because I get severe stomach burn with it. I still haven't taken a poop in a week. I'm chewing my liver to mush and I don't even eat the veins. I feel like shit, I have no energy and I can't breathe, but these are all the same old symptoms. My digestion is worse then it ever was. I decided to add back 9gram of colostrum from surthrival on an empty stomach to see if it helps with digestion and burning sensation and being that I am so lethargic it actually helps me survive through the day.

So yeah

9gram colostrum on an empty stomach
about 100g of raw liver, some suet, 2 cubes of high meat and that result in severe digestive upset.
That's about all I get swallow for now.

I wanna do gelatin but don't have access to raw one atm and might buy some hydrolyzed one from great lakes when I decide waste some more money on useless supplements.

I cannot makes sense out of this, I tried every diet, every supplement, read every book and I just keep getting worse. What the hell is this curse that happened to me?

I couldn't make my digestion any more easier and I am still in so much pain. Oh and since I am constipated no matter what, I decided to add back some Soil Based probiotic from Prescript Assist, I feel they contribute to making my constipation worse but since I can't go anyway might as well try them, taking half a capsule a day.

[LePatron7]

I cannot makes sense out of this, I tried every diet, every supplement, read every book and I just keep getting worse. What the hell is this curse that happened to me?

Sorry if I missed it but what's your official diagnosis? Also, what are your specific symptoms? Growing up were you ever given antibiotics?

[Sorentus]

Only one time for antibiotic that i know for sure, which was 3 years ago. My "diagnosis" was, your fine, you got IBS-C with some minor inflammation in your right colon. No celiac, no anemia, no IBD, no parasite, no infection according to the doctors.

Symptoms are:

CFS/ Lethargy, just standing up my chair require all my energy.
Chronic Headache, flu like symptoms
Stomach burning, heart burn, intestinal burning
Stomach inflammation, (my stomach pump faster then my heart, I can see my belly physically pump, never stops even on a fast)
Liver cramps, stomach cramps, intestinal cramps, intestinal spasms,coccyx spasms (there are just so many of them)
Feel bloated all the time, constantly hungry buy can't ever eat to full.
Pretty much permanent Constipation
Total food intolerance, I cannot ingest anything without a symptom.
Shortness of breath, some day I have to gasp for air about 5-10 times per minute, today was one of them.
Constant need to urinate at night
Muscle numbness, hard for me to sleep as I always get numb
Nerve twitching in my head, I can sometime feel my nerves in my head twisting or w/e the hell it does(mostly only happen when i try to sleep).
Yea the list goes on and on...

[LePatron7]

How is your blood work? Can you post the results of any blood work you've had done (without your name)?

[Sorentus]

Here is an old one, it changed a lot, my vitamin dropped by more then half on the last test and I had so much other test done but here is what I got.

Sanguine formula:

White Globules: 3,6 x10^9/L

Red Globules: 5,16 x10^12/L

HB: 164 g/L

HT: 0,486 fl

VGM: 94,2 fl

HGM: 31,9 pg

CHGM: 338 g/L

DVE: 13 fl

VPM: 9,0 fl

Platelet: 120 unit x10^9/L

 

Differential:

Neutrophil: 1,74 x10^9/L

Lymphocyte?: 1,42 x10^9/L

Monocyte: 0,17 x10^9/L

Eosinophil: 0,10 x10^9/L

Basophil: 0,03 x10^9/L

LUC: 0,09 x10^9/L

 

Routine:

Sodium: 139 umol/L

Potassium: 4,42 umol/L

Chloride: 101umol/L

Fasting glucose: 4,6 umol/L

Creatinine: 88 umol/L

IDMS-traceable creatinine: 73,1

Glomerular Filtration estimation: >=120 unit mL/min/l

ALT: 67 U/L

ALP: 102 U/L

Amylase: 43 U/L

Lipase: 90 U/L

Bilirubin: 13,9 umol/L

Proteins: 71 g/L

Albumin: 45 g/L

Albumin-globulin ratio: 1,73 g/L

 

Cardiovascular tests:

Total Cholesterol: 3,96 mmol/L

HDL-Cholesterol: 1,50 mmol/L

LDL-Cholesterol: 2,19 mmol/L

Cholesterol / HDL Ratio: 2,64 mmol/L

Triglyceride 0,58: mmol/L

 

Urinary Biochemistry:

Appearance: Clear

Color: Citrin

Density: 1,013 < 1,040

pH: 7,0

Protein Traces: Positive

Blood: Negative

Everything else is also negative

 

Microscopic Cell exam (400x):

White globules: 1,2

Red globules: 1-2

Mucus traces

 

Oh here is the interesting part, the lactose intolerance test

 

Administrated dose: 75g

Fasting glucose: 4,6mmol/L

Glucose 30 minutes later: 5,5 mmol/L

Glucose 1 hour later: 4,3 mmol/L

Glucose 2hour later 4,3 mmol/L

 

Vitamins and anemia test:

TSH: 1,38 mU/L

Vitamin B12: 654 pmol/L

Folic Acid: 24,9 nmol/L

Ferritin: 329 ug/L

Iron: 24,3 umol/L

CTFF: 49 umol/L

Saturation coefficient: 0,50

Transferrin?: 1,96 g/L

[van]

Sorentus,,  I think I mentioned asking Iguana about cassia discs/pods.   They will take care of you constipation,, don't take too many at once.  Instinctos all have used them, myself included.  I think they are truly one of those beneficial herbs/foods one should have.   I always travel with them, just in case.   Start with two, and build up daily till your bowels move.    You will feel so much better emptying out your bowels....

[Inger]

I ate Cassia all the time when I was instincto... my bowels felt so messed up at times from the fruit and stuff

Now I never feel the need of it anymore - my bowels are just so perfectly healthy!

[Inger]

I seriously think your issue is in your environment Sorentus.

You should test, where you live and at work. You can rent a EMF meter, or buy one.. you could use an AM radio too, it is great for testing

[LePatron7]

Here is an old one, it changed a lot, my vitamin dropped by more then half on the last test and I had so much other test done but here is what I got.

Could you post which ones were out of range? It would be a tedious job to search the normal values for each one.

[jessica]

Cassia is not a good idea for Sorentus me thinks, because the mechanism by which it makes you poop is to induce spasms in the small intestine and colon!  It just doesn't sound like you are eating enough to have a lot of material to poop out anyway.  Do you think that might be the case?

It really sounds like mineral imbalance to me, and that the body is so out of whack that when you add anything it has a hard time to balance them out. Electroltye imbalances cause spasms in all parts of the body, muscle aches, head aches, weakness, lethargy.  It will effect each cell of your body now, down to  your mitochondria, where proper balance is necessary to create all of the energy in  your body. 

I still think you should get a more in depth vitamin and mineral panel.  A good place to check out some information about ranges and ratios for mineral analysis is on the www.drlwilson.com website.  A lot of his advice you must take with a grain of salt, remembering what is best for you, but being flexible because you are coming from a place of declining health, and what is good for your today is only "good for you" in relation to where you are right this moment.  That said, I do believe that he has some great info on specific minerals, he is also someone  you might call who would be willing to interperate your data for him.  He works with orthomolecular nutrition but is only about supplementing in extreme cases, if at all, and is extremely mindful about them.  He also ties in some of the psychosomatic issues that arise from nutritional imbalances, which you have to read understanding that he is writing from his perspective, but a lot of it is very useful and mind opening.

Sorentus how much anxiety do you deal with?  Espeically around diet?  It seems like you are to a point where the vicious cycle of body causing mental health decline, leading to further physical health decline, is coming into play.  How do we help you with this?  Can/do you forgive yourself and your body?   Do you think it might be beneficial to create a healthy ritual around your body and around eating?  Do you believe in your own capacity to heal?

[Sorentus]

@Jessica, I do think minerals imbalance could be an issue at play here, I'm seeing a NAET practitioner Wednesday and she told me she should look for these things but not by a blood test though. My money is severely limited and I must choose the right basket to bet on in order to see what can help. Having taken a lot of magnesium I'm sure it probably created lots of minerals imbalance, I'll keep with the egg shell since maybe it can help, I'm having a pretty bad thigh bone pain today.

I get anxiety when eating but it is mostly frustration that I deal with. At times I just say "so here goes pain" before I even attempt to swallow my food. Now I know you'll say that this can play a crucial role but I had times when I didn't say it and I had pain and I had times where I said it and was fine, I doubt it play any significant role. I try to be at peace with this illness as most as I can and I still believe I can heal, giving if I get to find the root cause of all of this mess. I no longer choose to get hopeful anymore though, because every time that resulted in nights of insomnia, visualizing and feeling how great my life would be if I had it back, only to be followed by another downhill of my health(positive thinking eh?). I wanna figure this out because I don't want to die of an illness that I couldn't ever make sense out, not knowing what is wrong is driving me insane. There is also some kind of spiritual belief that if I don't figure this out, I'm doomed to repeat this same pattern if another life or something.

@DaBoss88, I never had anything come out of range, when I explained the doctors that my iron and b12 dropped by more then half in 4 months, they didn't bother because they were still in "range". I told them that there will likely not stay in range if it goes on like this but , they are doctor so w/e. That was back in late December, my TSH went up to around 2.5 too.

@Iner, I don't work as I am too ill to do so but I did shut down my wifi and I saw a noticeable improvement in my headaches, thank you for that. Surely there are more things that could be done and it would probably help, I do feel being in the nature would help with some conditions more CFS related but regarding my digestion, I doubt it.

@Van Not sure if I can find cassia around here, let along organic one. Does it matter if its sold in the winter and it is imported? I also ate 200 grams of sauerkraut last night. I didn't wanna go slowly with it only to try to figure out (oh is this the meal I had 5 5hours ago making me feel bad, yesterday or this one) so instead I ate a whole 200 grams expecting fully to feel like complete crap but knowing that at least this time I'm eating the food that makes me sick and it goes in my mouth rather then offering my food to someone who isn't sick. I've donated so much healthy organic food that I cannot eat, it pisses me off so much. I was expecting severe bloating and feeling like I'm being eaten alive by bacterias, instead what I got was a feeling in my intestine that I'm about to get diarrhea and I had a healthy bowel movement for the first time in a week this morning, so I am tempted to try the experiment again which is not what I had in mind.

One thing I find odd is stuff like meat gives me no stomach problem and it require stomach acid, yet after the meat digest, I feel my intestines are stuck and clogged with flesh even when breaking down my food to mush. Now when I eat honey I feel stomach discomfort, burning sensation but little if any intestinal problem, when I eat suet(only the one that melt  in your mouth and absolutely nothing solid) I get stomach burning for about 4 hours yet again not much intestinal discomfort. It seems that whatever makes me feel bad in my stomach will be ok in the intestine and vice versa. I wasn't feeling any burning sensation in my stomach eating sauerkraut but I had some significant GI upset.

Could it be H pylori, stomach bug, lack of bile? My stool are well formed and show no fat malabsorbtion, I've been eating raw liver which contain taurine and I'm seeing no improvement and at this point I'll be trying some digestive enzymes to see if it does anything.

Edit: I just had some heart fat and WOW does it taste like heaven, I never tasted something so good, suet tasted good but heart fat it so much better, now I already wish I didn't eat so much (not so much for a normal person but for me, I can already feel the pain building up) as I had suet 2 hours prior to beef heart fat. Also beef heart muscle taste so good too.  I wasn't looking for it at all but I like heart fat and protein much more then anything else thus far, very impressed. I absolutely LOVE raw paleo and I don't even find high meat disgusting, I would have no problem eating this for the rest of my life. I just wish I could digest it that's all. Seem like whatever happen I'll stick to raw paleo forever as for now it's what hurt the less to eat.

[Sorentus]

Well I don't know what is the science behind this but if I eat beef heart fat I don't get stomach burn but if I eat suet (beef fat) I get stomach burn. now if I take digestive enzymes it goes down significantly, I am using life extension enhanced digestive enzymes. Imo they are of poor quality but I was given those by mistake from a past order and they are the only digestives enzymes I have atm, but they seem to do something helpful.

Oh my digestive is still severely bad, spasms of all kind and really bloated but the enzymes seem to help with the stomach burn, only using them with suet for now.

[Sorentus]

Well so far it seems like I can tolerate suet pretty well, I would get severe stomach burn at first so I added digestive enzymes and this severely reducing the burning thus allowing me to eat a lot more and without the feeling of nausea. I haven't tried yet without the enzymes as I they seem to help. I'll cut them out eventually and go from there.

I don't eat ground beef anymore and don't plan to, way to impossible to digest, so I'm having beef heart and beef liver, they digest much better but I still get this feeling of clogging down my intestine but it's way less harsh then it would be with ground beef. Probably from the fact that I eat a lot less meat then initially.

I eat 2 meal of fat on average for 1 meat of protein and I decided to add VERY LITTLE lowest fiber fruits once in the morning for the recommend daily intake of vitamin C so about 100g of high vitamin c low fiber fruits (pineapple, strawberries etc...)

So atm diet would be something like this

100g fruits
Beef Fat
Beef Heart (occasional beef liver) 1-2 high meat cubes
Beef Fat

Now I can't still poop and still get some significant digestion upset (thinking of it 24/7) so I'm considering taking magnesium citrate but I'm wary of it as this doesn't fix the problem. I am getting colon bloat and I feel this would all go away if I could take a shit!

[jessica]

is it in your asending and traverse colon that you feel the blockage ?  you can do some self massage to push your poops along, google it, there are plenty of resources, its basically gently rubbing your lower belly from right to left in a clockwise motion if you are looking down on yourself but google it and also your anatomy so you know what you are doing. 

doing inversions and (bridge pose if you are familiar with yoga) help as do relaxation, deep breathing and a good book and no place to go.  always do activities around releasing shits in a  very relaxed manner, never anxiously rub your belly trying to squeak out a poo, poos hate that. 

just remember that you are probably assimilating most of the beef fat and heart, so getting microbes down into your belly to take care and move along the rest of the stuff might be a better idea then thinking you are going to take a fat shit anytime soon.

I would still encourage you to get some really good probiotics and mega dose on them, and getting something like dulse and drinking that down with some warm water, especially if you are going to take a mag. supplement, as anything that gives you runny shits has the tendency to also pull some minerals out along with it.

[Sorentus]

Ya i did the massage for quite a while, it worked better when I was eating fiber rich food, now it just seems stuck. I also wanted to try some seaweed too but was worried of them being difficult to digest so I didn't buy them.

I was taking half a capsule of prescript assist soil based organism but I could never knew if they were doing more good then bad. I always felt some discomfort from taking them, like some war was going inside my intestine even after a week. I still have about 40 capsules but I can't tell if they help. And lactic probiotic seem to be very wrong. Fermented vegetable is still a gray area, I got a bowel movement ONCE after taking a large dose of sauerkraut and when taking in small amount it never triggered bowel movement.

It does seem as if I'm absorbing all of that fat so there is nothing left to aid in the bowel movement. the pain is in the left side of my colon and also under my liver.

[Sorentus]

So I took 900mg of magnesium citrate last night(which is much less then I usually take) and had way too much honey again 1 hour prior to taking magnesium (5TBS spoon) and I had the biggest bowel movement of my life. It looked like a very healthy 3 pounds of fatty cooked ground beef and it was such a relief.

So this felt all very satisfying so I ate 6 cubes of pineapple as a reward and later ate a whole avocado at 7am knowing very well that it would be a bad idea because fiber and plant are evil(but it was perfectly ripe and I didn't want to again give away food that I bought). I had nausea for 2 hours and today my intestines felt like COMPLETE CRAP, making me feel like I'm back to where I began.

Definitively NOT eating plan food, honey or anything but animal food for a VERY long time. Beef fat and beef meat is all I'm going for right now, I hope I can get back to where I was a few days ago, it was looking really promising. now of course everyone around me had to ask me how I was doing and I was doing MUCH better yet still very much in pain and I knew that talking about my health improving would do what it always does, set me back to square one and that's exactly where I am today, FML.

Having my endoscopy tomorrow, hopefully things get back to normal soon enough. I'm about to buy a ton of beef heart, I would hate to be forced on a water fast.

I praise the day that I can stop thinking of my digestion 24/7, I literally dream of digestion, think about it, feel it, it never EVER leave my train of thought. It affects my intelligence, my ability to think and speak and enjoy myself, I've been thinking of my digestion 24/7 without remorse for 11 months now.

[eveheart]

Good luck on your endoscopy.

I was reading some information on the internet about auto-immune diseases. A lot of intestinal diseases are in the auto-immune category. The statement that caught my eye was that "40% of all auto-immune patients are told that their problems are in their heads." That happened to me for many years.

Please, keep your courage to find out what works for you, just in case "they" find "nothing" wrong."

Keep us posted.

[jessica]

Ya i did the massage for quite a while, it worked better when I was eating fiber rich food, now it just seems stuck. I also wanted to try some seaweed too but was worried of them being difficult to digest so I didn't buy them.

I was taking half a capsule of prescript assist soil based organism but I could never knew if they were doing more good then bad. I always felt some discomfort from taking them, like some war was going inside my intestine even after a week. I still have about 40 capsules but I can't tell if they help. And lactic probiotic seem to be very wrong. Fermented vegetable is still a gray area, I got a bowel movement ONCE after taking a large dose of sauerkraut and when taking in small amount it never triggered bowel movement.

It does seem as if I'm absorbing all of that fat so there is nothing left to aid in the bowel movement. the pain is in the left side of my colon and also under my liver.

Where under your liver? Left or right side?  Do you ever get any weird nausea symptoms with upper back pain or sneezing/gaging when you feel sick from foods?  These are gallbladder symptoms, which is under your liver

You know your stomach is also under your liver right?  Lactic based probiotics are active in the stomach, same with digestive enzymes, so you might still want to include those to help you digest and assimilate. 

[Sorentus]

I get nausea when I eat too much fat or the wrong one(coconut oil, ghee, avocado). I do best with suet, I got lots of nausea at first but then it cooled down and so I went with more suet and I was not having nausea. Now I'm getting some nausea but I'm eating very much a lot of it 2 meal a day of just plain lots of fat, which isn't huge nausea but still I can tell. Gonna try to add more protein, I prefer protein over fat but protein is much hardest on my intestines and thankfully if I eat fat it soothe my intestines like fruits or honey did. I'm avoid them like the plague now even though I really crave them (thus why can't always trust your "instincts"). I also don't get back pain while having the nausea, I do get back pain when I go to sleep though but I do get liver cramps sometime from supplements or lots of fat or adding something shortly after a meal.

At this point I had negative reaction from every probiotic product I tried beside high meat so that's really the only "probiotic" I trust atm.

I had my gastroscopy today, the doctor didn't even get back to me after the intervention, he just gave a referral for me to buy anti-acid pills which I bought, thankfully they were offered for free since I'm on welfare but I really wanna avoid them like the plague. I know that they won't do me any good and probably cause more harm then good but then if I don't take them,I bet he won't keep signing my disability paper and he later want me to take pills for crohn's which I tested negative in all the thousands tests they did to me.

I know I have something very wrong with my stomach because it literally feel like my heart is in my stomach, it pump so hard, like its really inflamed. Then I get all sort of intestinal discomfort and then if I do some drugs like weed which most people feel help their gut, mine get SO SO SO much worse. It makes no sense, it's like I have the "totally impossible to comprehend gut disease".

I'm sure its no candida. it's likely some fort of constipation SIBO with possible leaky gut and dysbiosis but it still doesn't explain all the stomach stuff. Seem like I have no parasites(beside the self incubated hookworm which I did after I get all these symptoms), infections or other stuff. Seems like my body is just fighting itself. I feel really hopeless.

[cherimoya_kid]

I'm sorry if I've asked this before, but have you tried vitamin D supplements?

[jessica]

what you describe sounds so much like issues with gallbladder, and veggie fats are by far the most irritating and should be avoided. 

have you ever tried dipping your fat in lemon juice or salt, or even sauer kraut juice?  or eatin a little before hand to stimulate bile production? sour and bitter tastes should cause your bile to pump out if it can. 

when you get sick from fats, it might sounds counter intuitive, but drinking lemon juice + apple cider vinegar can help, they will emulsify the fats for your, to make them better digested in your stomach and further down the line, especially if you are having issues with gallbladder.  do you poop out fats? like oily poops?  this is also why I recommend just trying egg yolk with no white, the yolks have lecithin in them, which helps the fat digest and absorb, as it is also an emollient.   

anyhow just some things to consider, I know its no ideal, but your digestion is extremely compromised so I am just throwing out all of the less processed alternatives I know, id offer you all kinds of herbal teas that help with digestion, stomach lining and liver but I am not sure you are open to that.  don't smoke weed, its such a panacea for stomach issues, it works on your brain for appetite not healing  your stomach, it will only tax your liver and lymph at this point

[Sorentus]

Ya I cut weed out completely, the feeling of having my last bits of energy drained and feeling like my gut is being tortured is not worth it for me anymore. I do take vitamin D supplements yes.

No I haven't tried dipping my fat in anything, I just eat it raw from suet and let it melt in my mouth, the one from big chunks that doesn't dries out but stay solid is the best, it taste so freaking good but it's easy to eat too much. Personally I can't get enough of it and wish I could eat more, atm I'll have to lay off cause I'm thinking my body is probably craving more good protein then fat. But my body craving something doesn't mean it's all suited to digest it.

I tried all kind of herbal tea and supplements that claims to ad digestion and they all make it worse, chamomile, sage, fennel, licorice, milk thistle, etc..

I don't seem to poop out fat except that one time when I had a big poop it looked greasy but it didn't look like I pooped fat.

[Sorentus]

Well last night I ha very good tasting fat, the one that melt in your mouth and felt ok afterward but then this morning I had VERY bad nausea, kind of like when I have too much coconut oil, had to lay still in bed for hours.

The this morning I ate high meat trim and had some VERY severe stomach discomfort, I feel extremely awful atm and my digest is a severe mess. I made the mistake of trying to do high meat from trim and all this fat taste so rancid and I think it might be what cause the digestive upset. Guess I'm not doing high meat anytime soon, 150$ worth of trim going in the garbage and 100$ worth of jar bought for nothing. Story of my miserable life.

going to be fasting for a day, live off the 2 liver and 1 lb of ground beef and very little fat until I can get off some more beef heart. God my situation is so hopeless.

[van]

All of us here have wasted as much money and effort on foods that didn't serve us.  Let it be a learning experience.   Fasting is fine, but eating when hungry is also fine, as in letting your body tell you when it's time to eat.  I feel for you.   Try to find foods that you like, that taste good, and let the taste and enjoyment be a guide.   My guess is your system is so tender that any excess is going to be felt.