kefir

[political atheist]

hi,

is kefir considered low to zero carb? i mean if i ferment the milk till separation of whey and the rest, dosnt that mean that all sugar are already consumed by the bacteria? what about double ream(45- 50% fat content), cheese, butter?

is pollen allowed(for the nutrients)?

what about honey? Aajonus Vonderplanitz research claimed that honey is an enzyme/hormonal/nutrient rich food... it only becomes sugary IF heated above 39 celsius degrees.

thoughts?

[cherimoya_kid]

Zero-carb is rarely necessary or safe in the long-term. Why are you so focused on zero carb?

[political atheist]

Zero-carb is rarely necessary or safe in the long-term. Why are you so focused on zero carb?

read that anything above 5 grams of carbs/day is really unhealthy, age accelerator

[eveheart]

Carbs do get used in fermentation, but the degree of fermentation determines how much carbs are left in the finished product. Think of fruit juice -> vinegar; fruit juice is all carbs, vinegar has only a trace, relatively speaking.

The only way to determine exactly how much milk sugar is left is to do lab tests, but a lot of people use a 24-hour fermentation (or a similarly long ferment) to use up the lactose. If you are aiming for ketosis, you can backward-engineer your carb level by using ketone test strips - if something does not knock you out of ketosis, then it is low-carb enough.

P.S. This is not an endorsement of eating as low as 5 mg/day of carbs, only an answer to your question.

[sabertooth]

Lactose and milk proteins, even small amounts in kefir, do not agree with everyone. So be careful and listen to your bodies reaction.

Some people do better on low carb than others. 5g a day is a bit low for most people, I take in around 30g to 50g, and others do well on much higher amounts,  you must listen to your body.

Pollen is not necessary, but small amounts of a quality source shouldn't be a problem..... if your eating raw meats you should be able to get much larger levels of amino acids and vitamins than pollen contains, and in a much more bioavailable form.

Honey is a very debatable food on this forum, some say raw honey is better tolerated, but all honey is loaded with sugar, and if you are avoiding carbs you should limit the amount, depending on your own individual wants and needs.

I have been using a little home made kombutcha, it may be a good alternative to cultured dairy....if it is properly fermented and not overly sugared, it should only have a couple of carbs per serving.

[cherimoya_kid]

read that anything above 5 grams of carbs/day is really unhealthy, age accelerator

Good luck with that. That's a pretty extreme number.  Few people can do well long-term eating that way.

[political atheist]

Good luck with that. That's a pretty extreme number.  Few people can do well long-term eating that way.

i am actually on zero carb diet for at least a month now and i could do it forever... all i eat is raw meat, butter, eggs, cream and homemade kefir...

but i miss sweet taste... and i love honey... i could eat 10- 20 tblsp per day or more.... 1 tblsp contains about 15 grams of sugar.... i read somewhere that any amount of carbs stimulates insulin and insulin damages cholesterol, creating all kinds of diseases

[cherimoya_kid]

i am actually on zero carb diet for at least a month now and i could do it forever... all i eat is raw meat, butter, eggs, cream and homemade kefir...

but i miss sweet taste... and i love honey... i could eat 10- 20 tblsp per day or more.... 1 tblsp contains about 15 grams of sugar.... i read somewhere that any amount of carbs stimulates insulin and insulin damages cholesterol, creating all kinds of diseases

Be careful. Don't overdo this. Watch out for weird symptoms that slowly get worse.

[political atheist]

Be careful. Don't overdo this. Watch out for weird symptoms that slowly get worse.

do u have experience with zero/low carb diet?

[thehadezb]

Lactose and milk proteins, even small amounts in kefir, do not agree with everyone. So be careful and listen to your bodies reaction.

Some people do better on low carb than others. 5g a day is a bit low for most people, I take in around 30g to 50g, and others do well on much higher amounts,  you must listen to your body.

Pollen is not necessary, but small amounts of a quality source shouldn't be a problem..... if your eating raw meats you should be able to get much larger levels of amino acids and vitamins than pollen contains, and in a much more bioavailable form.

Honey is a very debatable food on this forum, some say raw honey is better tolerated, but all honey is loaded with sugar, and if you are avoiding carbs you should limit the amount, depending on your own individual wants and needs.

I have been using a little home made kombutcha, it may be a good alternative to cultured dairy....if it is properly fermented and not overly sugared, it should only have a couple of carbs per serving.

Are you actually zero-carb? What are your main carb sources?